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7. 35mm Lens Adapters
5 months ago
6. DoF Demystified
5 months ago
35mm lens adapters cost thousands to buy, hundreds to build, degrade the objective technical quality of your video and make your camcorder an entire magnitude more difficult to use. And they won't make your video magically look like film. Nothing will.

On the other hand, by adding selective focusing options to small consumer camcorders, 35mm lens adapters have the potential to produce some absolutely gorgeous images. Do you need one? No. Do you want one? I know I do!

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  • Al Chan 5 months ago
    Thanks for another great educational video!
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    Awesome episode DEF. A quick search on the P/S Technik website confirms there are several DP's (some in the guild) who must be completely stupid for buying into the hype as you have stated.

    zgc.com/zgc.nsf/c7a682995edb4e7585256b4d001ebd57/05e390b07d0d843c85256dde00559169?OpenDocument
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  • Videopia 5 months ago
    Charlie! Heya!

    Can I assume that your professional recommendation is that we should all run out and buy a P/S Technik that starts at $22,500 (w/o the lens, of course) for our sub-$1,000 consumer camcorders?

    When are we going to shoot a Charlie v. Eric episode!
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    Letus Ultimate is supposed to outperform the P/S in terms of Bokeh and light loss. It is a measly $4500. Thats only a few clams more than that snazzy HD projector you have hooked up to the vibrating couch
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  • [ PIXEL VIKING ] 5 months ago
    This was great. I've received quite a few questions about 35mm adaptors and now I can just point people to this video - thanks a lot :)
  • marc 13 days ago
    funny that you say that because I was going to ask you about 35mm adapters today till I found this... :) If you come accross more educational videos like this let me know. Or better yet maybe there should be a posting on the HG10 Channel for just educational videos?
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    BTW - Film cameras do not come with lenses, mags, filmstock, batteries, videotaps, viewfinders(eyepieces), or tripod plates.

    The beauty of the adapters now is that they adapt all sorts of lenses (i.e. PL Mount, Nikon, Canon ect) and provide a variety of options for different budgets and tastes.

    Chances are, if your considering a depth of field adapter, your not concerned with the notion of add on accessories or increased production time.

    Anything visually worth while comes with a price. Until now, gear like this has never been accessible to the "common" man. If a shot looks good, it probably costs a lot of money to pull off.
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  • Greg Wallis 5 months ago
    I think too many people are buying in to 35mm adapters thinking that they're a pancea for poor technique and an immediate technical upgrade to their current camera. Undoubtedly there are benefits for the serious film maker, but I've yet to be convinced that they're really worth all the considerable expense and extended technical difficulties. Check out all the 35mm adapter videos on Vimeo and you'll see out of focus shots left, right, and centre — no, not clever DOF shots, simplys shots that are out of focus, becuase it's incredibly demanding to manually focus a 35mm lens using a consumer cam's LCD screen.

    (However, if anyone has a spare Letus that they want to give me, I'm OK with that :)
  • Videopia 5 months ago
    Yea, and most of the videos are "test" videos. Is anyone producing anything with these things?!

    Rhetorical question. Yes, there are lots of great vids produced using these adapters, here for example:

    vimeo.com/filmlook
  • Greg Wallis 5 months ago
    I already subscribe to that channel, and, yes, there are some good shorts being made, no question. However, I think most people would be better off perfecting their film making techniques before turning to a very imperfect solution to a low budget, and having overly high expectations of the equipment suddenly upping their level of production.

    And possibly the first step would be to upgrade to a better camera before bolting on a DOF solution, though I fully concede that more than impressive results are being had by some people with budget cameras, a Letus, and lots of skill.
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    Fundamentally, DOF adapters serve a need for video cameras with a fixed lens and that is simply to have control over focus. Because of the chip size, and even when physically moving the camera, DOF in fixed lens cameras is mediocre at best. As Eric suggests, changing the shot does help but it will NEVER achieve the same look as actually enlarging the film plane and using 35mm glass.

    Sure there will be people who buy this equipment to mask their bad techniques, but, there are tons of Final Cut Editors / Avid Editors / Red Camera Operators that are trying to "buy" their way into the industry because the cost of ownership has dropped.

    In qualified hands, a DOF adapter is a method of achieving a new approach to low budget storytelling.

    I agree with the LCD issue. If you read some of the threads in the REDUSER forum you will see that AC's are having issues with focus in 2K and 4K. So, in general, there is no forgiveness with new, high rez mediums.
  • Videopia 5 months ago
    Interesting - thanks for brining this into the discussion. As a professional, how do you feel about people trying to "buy" their way into the industry?

    At first glance (1) it makes me cranky, but then I think (2) it won't matter, because when you give a hack a million dollars worth of gear, he's still gonna be a hack and it'll show.
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    Eric, your show might be better if YOU were out of focus.

    (You know I'm kidding...I'm a DEF fan for life)
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  • Charlie Burket 5 months ago
    hmm. Because this industry has no front door, I think putting down money for gear is just as big of a gamble as trying to get hired by having a film degree. Either way, it comes down to creative potential, and most importantly, attitude. I've seen so many people get opportunities only to shoot themselves in the foot for acting stupid when it really matters. Such is the case with persons who are not accustomed to the way a set operates. If you buy you way in, your likely to feel a false sense of empowerment and are at risk of "overbilling" yourself as something your not. (I.E. you cannot simply call yourself a camera operator just because you own the camera). Rest assured that your "big" break will easily turn into the worst experience of your life (possibly career suicide) because pretenders are identified and weeded out quickly.

    Everything is subjective and situational, but generally, the most knowledgeable, problem solving, courteous, humble, team players are the ones who keep working.

    So "buying in" is fine if your willing to face the firing squad (and hopefully survive)
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  • Dustin Uy 4 months ago
    hey... i miss this guy in djtv.. his segments are my favorite in djtv. glad to see more of him here. audio on the production needs work though.

    EDIT: oh this is D. eric franks video blog? nice.
  • Videopia 4 months ago
    Thanks man ... and nice ears! Yea, I took a step back on the audio on this one (embarrassed to admit: 60Hz ground loop!). Recovered in the "DIY Steadicam" segment, but you are exactly right: I am REALLY struggling with audio. In my garage (so a shotgun won't work). With the Sony HDR-SR7 (which compresses the audio coming in the mic jack). I've even treated about 40% of the space with acoustic foam, but I think I've reached limits to what I can do with the equipment I've got.
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  • Gabriel Naranjo 4 months ago
    Great introduction. I was watching this video by pixel viking –wich I loved –yesterday:
    vimeo.com/1403211

    and was wondering how did he managed to get the look on that video.

    I checked online each of the devices and it was funny to learn that one of the lenses costs about the same as the camera and that the adapter cost almost double the 200mm lens and the camcorder . After shooting, the video was post-processed to look like film stock. The comment posted above about "people buying their way into film making" actually makes sense in this case: there is no way for pixel viking to get that level of photography without the rig he had at his disposal ( this is not meant to be derogatory, he does have a nice technique and composition)

    I do wonder – being only a filmmaking fan that worked sometime ago in postproduction – what is the final purpose of this techniques: is it only for fun ? do this techniques get used on the commercial world? The rig portrayed in the video above sure looks heavy and is certainly not cheap.
  • Videopia 4 months ago
    Yea, good questions and I think there are three things going on here:
    (1) beginners building/buying 35mm adapters without knowing what they are getting into
    (2) serious amateurs that have already mastered their camera and have good technique already and THEN they buy a 35mm adapter to enhance their already excellent video
    (3) Pros that know exactly what they are doing.

    Pixel Viking definitely looks like category (2). He has a $1,000 camera, $1,000 adapter and a pair of nice lenses to work with, so probably $3,000-$5,000 worth of gear. He shoots and fames very artistically, with the eye of a photographer.

    The Magic Bullet "looks" stuff is nice, but I think his shots look good without it. MBLooks is a nice shortcut to some cool effects, but (with a little effort and knowlege) you can do the same thing with the tools that come with your editing software - levels, color correction, etc.

    Our conversation about "buying into" the profession does not apply here. We mean someone (like a lawyer or stock broker) that quits their job or a bored rich kid that decides to become a "filmmaker" because it looks fun, so they drop $20,000 on gear and decide to make a movie. These people very very quickly learn it takes more than money!
  • Matt E 4 months ago
    A fantastic example is White Red Panic - vimeo.com/1333375 - Shot with a HV20, no adapter and graded in Magic Bullet Looks. It's amazing!

    As for people buying into the industry, who really cares - of course they'll realise it takes more than gear ... just 'cause you drive a Ferrari doesn't make you Michael Shumacher but I'm sure it's a lot of fun anyway :)

    35mm adapters, Magic Bullet etc ... they're all just tools. Ultimately, it's about how you use the tools available not the tools themselves.

    As for my 35mm adapter ... you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands ;)
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  • Gabriel Naranjo 4 months ago
    As I said , I did not mean to diminish the work of pixel viking – he does know how to compose regardless of the equipment he used– I'm only saying that it does take a lot of money to get to that level: the study made in that video actually push the equipment to the limit: there is no way to get that look with a cheap consumer camera.

    I agree about the Magic Bullet look: I think that the video should work without it, the wheat looks over filtered in this case, it seems to loose some detail.

    12 years ago the level of cinematography portrayed in this movies was impossible at the consumer and amateur level, it is astounding how fast and far the medium has advanced.

    I'm new to vimeo, I'm hoping to find more shorts that actually use this exiting techniques to tell a meaningful story, which in the end I guess is the purpose of using this tools.

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  • RNG35 4 months ago
    You can all say what you want. I have not filmed without a 35mm adapter since the first time I tried one about a year ago. And I get a ton of comments about the footage too.
  • Videopia 4 months ago
    Please don't misunderstand me: I think quality 35mm lens adapters + a quality lens *when used appropriately* are great (as you already know). What I'm trying to communicate to people who DON'T already know, is that they aren't magical "Make My Video Look Like Film" devices - which is often how they are portrayed.
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  • Servando Barreiro 4 months ago
    check this..

    vimeo.com/822096
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  • john marchan 2 months ago
    This is my first vid I saw of you - thank you! Please keep them coming, they're great.
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