Realy nice! you are going the wright way (the colors are impresive, and the camera is very good), but never foget that movies are about the story... let´s see yours when the short is finished.
Good Luck
PS: I have recently bought the same camera, and also think it´s all about what you do with the equipment you have - or dont have ; ) - rather than having the most expensive things, and producing shit.
thanks guys. and yeah the story is definitely important. again this is our first serious attempt at filmmaking and we're learning as we go along. and artconcept, we totally agree. the extra lenses and equipment, although nice, really aren't necessary in creating a cinematic experience. it's all about lighting, composition, and post-production.
you made good use of camera technique. your technique, coupled with the glory-ness of the hv30... I am anxiously awaiting to see what you come up with.
As to the darkness of the trailer. That is mostly because of the cinematic purposes of the teaser further obstructing just what this twisted thriller is really about. Can't wait to release the finished film.
Great look! Well done! But.... your trailer should say something about your film. Not just about how well it was filmed (which it obviously was). Give us enough of the story we'll want more.
Great job, guys. The editing is spot on. Although the trailer shows what kind of film it will be, I don't get much of a sense of the story from it. What is the premise? Why is this man on the run?
Since the full movie will be released in a couple of weeks, we are deciding to keep the plot details. It could best be described as a thriller, and was inspired by 1984.
you shure need to get your short on festivals,.! great look and like everybody looking forward to see the story,. its amazing what the hv30 combined with your creativity you guys will do great...!
Thank you very much! Yeah we're looking around to see what festivals we could send it to. There's obviously some Teen ones that we could send it to, but we'd also like to shop it around more professional festivals. If anyone knows of some good festivals to consider, please let us know. We want to use this movie to gain some exposure and backing so that we will have more resources to make bigger films. This was all done with amateur actors and virtually no budget.
oh my god now way man!!!! now you will see, everyone will go out and buy HV30 now!!! jesus c....... this is insane work... NO DOFs, only with HV30s, You sure did work this on Mac, not on windows right?
Excellent teaser trailer! I'm looking forward to see the full release!
I have a few questions, if you don't mind.
1) What did you use to generate the explosion? Assuming you used AE to create it did you use the VC Action Movie Essentials, Trapcode Particular, PP, or just some stock footage?
1) It is actually a free bit of stock from detonation films (detonationfilms.com/) duplicated then screened onto a static image then heavily color corrected. I'm not really convinced by this technique so I recommend against it. It is however very simple and fast to do.
2)This was just a generic piece of royalty free music sitting on our hard drive. I don't remember exactly where it comes from. A great site though for a large amount of orchestral-esque (generally) royalty free music is edgen.com/music.
To get the most "tease" out of your teaser, you might want to show us what "the bacon" is. In the short hand way to describe overall plot lines, this looks like a steal-the-bacon kind of action story, with a touch of the-wrong-man. Correct me if I'm wrong. A shot of the "prize" is all you need to whet people's appetites to see if the protagonist overcomes the obstacles.
On the technical side, I would watch your framing on the action shots. there were a couple of points where the subject drifted from the top of the frame. In a rapid cut montage, it helps to keep the important points in the sweet-spots so the viewer doesn't have to troll the frame to find the meat.
Remember, if your character is to command the scene, they have to command the frame first.
Unless it's a story about backgrounds, then your characters just need to tickle the edges of the frame. hehe.
Some of the color saturation is nice, and it might help to pop a little light onto your subject with reflectors or even a diffuse mag-light. You can get a nice quick (and cheap) fill light from a Chinese Lantern and a strong flashlight. That would give you more color space and light levels to work with. Crushing the blacks won't lose the subject. The great thing about the little paper lanterns, aside from the cost, is you can paint their backs so that all their beautiful diffuse light goes forward, no spill, or cover all but a small part of them to make a tighter spot.
if there's something important to look at, give it a wee bit more screen time so the viewer can absorb it. It's amazing what even eight more frames can give to your viewer. I would have wanted to see the expression of the guy being shot at. (the silhouette shot of the pill bottle made me think it was significant and one more shot of it, in its normal context might have given me just enough plot line to be thoroughly teased. I could be wrong and the bottle means nothing :)
Thank you so much for taking the time to give us all of this information. I have heard of the Chinese lantern method but have never used it. Combining it with a flashlight is a great idea and I look forward to trying it out.
I like your ideas on the composition of the trailer. I agree that we teased too much and left the viewer out a little hungry but what is done is done.
As for the length of shots, within the film, these are a lot more lengthy and consistent. Also, the pill bottle is given more significance through exactly what you suggest. Good job on picking that up.
Thanks again for these comments. Please watch the film when we release it here and give us some more of this fabulous advice and criticism!
It looked great, very filmic, however i did notice that there was a double, at 30 seocnds and 48 seconds, it's the same shot of the white guy running out and stopping in fornt of the camera.
Good though, but i wish there was more story behind it, like to get us more interested. I'll be watching, hope it all goes well.
Great work! It was funny to read your description because it sounds exactly like my group of film buddies. Fresh out of high school with nothing but an HV30, Vegas, and Adobe AfterEffects. I love the set and the time you obviously took to plan out the shots. Whenever I get started planning out a lengthy video I usually get distracted by a funny idea for a 1 to 3 minute short. Something I could film, edit and have on the web in 4 hours. Anyway, if you don't mind, I would love it if you would take the time to tell me all the processes you went through starting all the way back to brainstorming. Did you use a dolly in any shots; any cranes? What type of tripod did you use? This information is stuff that I thrive on. I also have a low budget (no budget :]), making it necessary for me to build home made tools such as a dolly and a steady cam. They work out nicely and aren't noticeable in the final project as being cheap. Once again, great job. Thanks for the royalty free website. Good luck with editing late into the night. If you guys are anything of a real film making group, you know what I mean by late into the night. Try no sleep for 3 days! Haha. Peace.
The original script for this story was based upon something written in 9th grade. It was an unfinished 30-something page long exercise in crap. Awful. Utterly terrible. It was soon forgotten, lost in the endless forest of doom that is my hard drive. Senior year comes to an end and the two filmmaking friends decide to create a summation of all they have learned throughout high school. Searching for ideas, I rediscovered my Interrogator script which I totally rewrote from a full-length, unfinished direct to release movie into a powerful and psychological short. This transformation occurred over the course of a single day.
Pre-production began immediately and was finished within minutes as the cast and locations were decided immediately without the knowledge or consent of all parties and places we had selected. Guerrilla warrior is our name.
After vacations pushed our schedule way back, we began to film. What is there to say other than the construction of the world's-first and worst totally collapsible, $7, PVC dolly of power (only used for a single shot), a vintage tripod manufactured in West Germany, and two clamp lights along with a couple of bored and overworked kids juggling college, work, and film came together to create a script originally conceived and written by a 14 year-old.
Dump it all to hard drive. Ingest, convert, pull-down, edit, visual effects, color correct, sound, score, and voila. Bake for 3 weeks until popular and then deliver.
Hope this helps!
PS: No late night sessions yet! And, yes, schizophrenia is essential to the successful release of a film.
Btw, there was very little pre-production and planning. We literally grabbed a few props, the few actors we had, and went out looking for a location. Once we found it, we shot on the spot without any preplanned storyboards or flowcharts. We never use those. Shots are always conceived on-site, because we really never have the luxury of designing the set around the shot; it's usually the other way around. But yeah, this is total guerrilla filmmaking.
Holy shit! I'm impressed, i shoot with a A1 and a Redrock adapter and many of these shots looked very similar if not better than a piece i am shooting now! How do u capture? HDMI out? or just the standard firewire?
Thank you. Actually, we just capture through a firewire cable. The trick to getting a good shot may sound cliched, but it really is true. It all depends on your lighting, composition, and color correction.
Thanks! We were actually considering selling it. I don't know yet, maybe we'll just take donations. Regardless, the film should be up within the next 1-2 weeks online. By the way, are you Colombian?
I hate "The following preview has been approved" message as strong as I hate the ratings and the MPAA itself. Is it "1984"? Do you live in a communist country? Big Brother previews, rates and approves? Big screen productions have to put up with this shit because otherwise the majority of movie theaters won't accept their movies. But you are making an indie film, why are you voluntarily put chains on yourself?
Liked the teaser, but scenes between flashes are way too short, and blackouts are way too long. And yes, it is very dark.
Great Footage you got there. I'm kind of re-thinking my 35mm adapter route right now. Just wanted to know what kinda lighting you used for this if any at all. Good work tho you guys have skills.
For two scenes we used two $6 clamp on lights with 13w fluorescent lights. But mostly we used practicals and natural lighting exposing to get the most latitude with the least gain. Color correction gave us the look we wanted.
Great trailer guys, can't wait to see the whole thing. I'm shooting a no-budget 20 odd minute fim myself at the moment and I'll be using Vegas and After Effects for editing & post. I'm shooting on a Sony HVR Z1 in 50p (I'm from Ireland) and for some reason After Effects says it can't recognise the .M2T files Vegas captures the HDV footage in. Have you guys got any ideas what's up with that? It says in the help file that .M2T is supported.
Don't want to be accusatory but from what I understand, some preview versions of After Effects that may have been "permanently extended" don't support .m2t. If however you have a normal copy, you may have to end up batch processing all your files to a different format. Try using Virtual Dub or Virtual Dub Mod to convert to a more friendly (preferably lossless codec). I really like the Lagarith Lossless (lags.leetcode.net/codec.html). This is the format we converted to during our pulldown procedure before importing into after effects.
The video was uploaded several hours ago but seems to have hung up on Vimeo's servers. Hopefully the problem will be resolved and you can enjoy the film soon.
WOW! Very impressive. That looks so professional. I can't believe that is filmed with the same type of camcorder I have. I wish I could put movies out like that. I currently working on a short and I don;t think it will come close to that. But what the hell....I'm having fun doing it. By the way where did you get that music bed that you used in the trailor???
The music bed was just pulled from the internet. Don't remember where. Try looking around edgen.com/music for some cinematic royalty free (and FREE) music.
thats nice
sweet!!
CHEERS!
Realy nice! you are going the wright way (the colors are impresive, and the camera is very good), but never foget that movies are about the story... let´s see yours when the short is finished.
Good Luck
PS: I have recently bought the same camera, and also think it´s all about what you do with the equipment you have - or dont have ; ) - rather than having the most expensive things, and producing shit.
We are currently in the post-production phase. The film should be released around the second week of August.
As to the darkness of the trailer. That is mostly because of the cinematic purposes of the teaser further obstructing just what this twisted thriller is really about. Can't wait to release the finished film.
Look for it around mid-August.
To Troglored - The title was changed from trailer to teaser, as to be more accurate of a description.
To Jen Rackley - Yes, we're hoping people recognize some of the locations we filmed in! Thank you.
I have a few questions, if you don't mind.
1) What did you use to generate the explosion? Assuming you used AE to create it did you use the VC Action Movie Essentials, Trapcode Particular, PP, or just some stock footage?
2) Where did you get the score for this piece?
1) It is actually a free bit of stock from detonation films (detonationfilms.com/) duplicated then screened onto a static image then heavily color corrected. I'm not really convinced by this technique so I recommend against it. It is however very simple and fast to do.
2)This was just a generic piece of royalty free music sitting on our hard drive. I don't remember exactly where it comes from. A great site though for a large amount of orchestral-esque (generally) royalty free music is edgen.com/music.
Hope this helps!
On the technical side, I would watch your framing on the action shots. there were a couple of points where the subject drifted from the top of the frame. In a rapid cut montage, it helps to keep the important points in the sweet-spots so the viewer doesn't have to troll the frame to find the meat.
Remember, if your character is to command the scene, they have to command the frame first.
Unless it's a story about backgrounds, then your characters just need to tickle the edges of the frame. hehe.
Some of the color saturation is nice, and it might help to pop a little light onto your subject with reflectors or even a diffuse mag-light. You can get a nice quick (and cheap) fill light from a Chinese Lantern and a strong flashlight. That would give you more color space and light levels to work with. Crushing the blacks won't lose the subject. The great thing about the little paper lanterns, aside from the cost, is you can paint their backs so that all their beautiful diffuse light goes forward, no spill, or cover all but a small part of them to make a tighter spot.
if there's something important to look at, give it a wee bit more screen time so the viewer can absorb it. It's amazing what even eight more frames can give to your viewer. I would have wanted to see the expression of the guy being shot at. (the silhouette shot of the pill bottle made me think it was significant and one more shot of it, in its normal context might have given me just enough plot line to be thoroughly teased. I could be wrong and the bottle means nothing :)
Nice job! Good luck, hope this helps.
I like your ideas on the composition of the trailer. I agree that we teased too much and left the viewer out a little hungry but what is done is done.
As for the length of shots, within the film, these are a lot more lengthy and consistent. Also, the pill bottle is given more significance through exactly what you suggest. Good job on picking that up.
Thanks again for these comments. Please watch the film when we release it here and give us some more of this fabulous advice and criticism!
Good though, but i wish there was more story behind it, like to get us more interested. I'll be watching, hope it all goes well.
Pre-production began immediately and was finished within minutes as the cast and locations were decided immediately without the knowledge or consent of all parties and places we had selected. Guerrilla warrior is our name.
After vacations pushed our schedule way back, we began to film. What is there to say other than the construction of the world's-first and worst totally collapsible, $7, PVC dolly of power (only used for a single shot), a vintage tripod manufactured in West Germany, and two clamp lights along with a couple of bored and overworked kids juggling college, work, and film came together to create a script originally conceived and written by a 14 year-old.
Dump it all to hard drive. Ingest, convert, pull-down, edit, visual effects, color correct, sound, score, and voila. Bake for 3 weeks until popular and then deliver.
Hope this helps!
PS: No late night sessions yet! And, yes, schizophrenia is essential to the successful release of a film.
Liked the teaser, but scenes between flashes are way too short, and blackouts are way too long. And yes, it is very dark.
The darkness is due to fading and flashes. Check out the final product coming in a week.
Also try going to videocopilot.net/forum or hv20.com for TONS of information on filmmaking.