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Eliezer Yudkowsky, Research Fellow for the Singularity Institute, on cognitive biases and giant risks. Uploaded by Singularity Institute Media Director Michael Anissimov

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  • richard pauli 9 months ago
    Is this a test?

    Eliezer, you are a very influential person, and I was shocked that in 2009 you fail to see global warming as a top existential risk. By ignoring or glossing over this, you risk harming your reputation....especially given the content of your otherwise excellent presentation. Select info from any trusted source or university. Recent audio briefing here climateprogress.org/2009/12/04/press-call-michael-mann-gavin-schmidt-and-michael-oppenheimer-climategat/
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky 9 months ago
    I'm not claiming anything against standard consensus on global warming. But if it does not wipe out every last single human being it is not an "existential risk".
  • richard pauli 9 months ago
    I assure you that existentialist risk from climate change is both possible - even likely - without willful, forceful human intervention. I invite you to include this as the top-most threat of all human caused risks. Commentary I read on the climate models seem to give this about a 30% chance of full catastrophic extinction. Although some think this is possible by the year 2100 - forced warming continues for hundreds of years - and is certainly possible after that date.

    My own chart is a very crude and simple view of data source connections localsteps.org/howbad.html - but I invite you to peruse some original research reports linked there. The referenced book "Six Degrees" is vetted by scientists at RealClimate realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/six-degrees/

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report is a UN sponsored, universally accepted document. It is a synthesis of work from thousands of scientists and political leaders... Designed to both reveal and suppress, it is dense and hard to comprehend - but totally public. The IPCC report lists a Permian type extinction as possible with the business as usual climate models. Specifically the scenario of A1FI saying that 6 C degrees of warming is possible. And this alone should suffice to place this on your chart.

    There are some very wise computer scientists that you may resonate with... Steve Easterbrook at easterbrook.ca/steve/ and John Mashey - who does not blog directly:
    warming101.blogspot.com/2009/08/john-masheys-greatest-hits-climate.html
    amazon.com/review/R64ZZL9AHXWMK

    One excellent IPCC report is
    ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf
    You might search the within the document and on the Internet for the climate model of "SRES A1FI" which is one of the six climate models that is widely studied. [A1FI: Fossil-fuel Intensive, coal, oil, and gas continue to dominate the energy supply for the foreseeable future.] It is the scenario of "business-as-usual" and is the most severe - but completely includes the possibility of full catastrophic extinction - that can only be compared to the Permian extinction (see Paleoclimatology).
    ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/emission/index.htm

    Government publications
    usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/default.php

    Check the British Met Hadley Center for a report
    timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5371682.ece
    with original government materials at metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/effects/high-end.html

    MIT doubles the forecasts of the IPCC
    reuters.com/article/idUSTRE54I6PF20090519?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews
    climateprogress.org/2009/05/20/mit-doubles-global-warming-projections-2/

    Climate model discussion
    realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/11/faq-on-climate-models/
    RealClimate is the most respected science blog on global warming.
    realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/08/on-record-high-temperatures/

    climateprogress.org/2008/09/23/has-runaway-climate-change-begun/
    ClimateProgress.org is perhaps the strongest political blog drawing on established science.
    The founder, Joe Romm is flogging his book
    climateprogress.org/2009/03/22/an-introduction-to-global-warming-impacts-hell-and-high-water/ but it is an excellent account of the dire possibilities.

    Special note on Wikipedia articles: In global warming issues, Wikipedia is a battleground of acrimonious discussion that often leaves little information. I suggest checking revision history and original documents when possible.

    Sorry to overwhelm you with links. I hope this is sufficient to include as a true risk for complete human extinction. Let me know if there is anything I can do.
  • Prolorn 3 months ago
    Speaking on my own behalf, such examples may present a compelling case that climate change would pose a giant risk if there were little awareness of the issue. But in one perhaps ironic sense, the existence of widespread awareness (even if that does not always convert to action) reduces the risk from that threat.

    On the other hand, there are other large risks natural and technological that seem to receive far less (and often, less serious) appraisal, and relatively negligible action.

    Even given that the response to climate change is tragically less than ideal, the response is still overwhelming in proportion to the thought paid to some other global risks.

    There are other aspects I may speak of, but on the basis of this, please understand the focus on less-celebrated but no less thought-worthy potential future factors.
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  • William Cox 26 days ago
    Richard, I think that you and Eliezer are at variance over the matter of time frames. It is a common motif in progressive circles to assert the continuities of history, the slowness of people and their institutions to change and adapt to threats, and generally the limits of human agency. In the face of neocon visions of western values exported all across the world, liberals have adopted a stance which might be summed up as follows: "things don't change as fast as you think they do."

    In contrast, Singularitarians may vary in terms of the details of the time frame, but all singularitarians, by definition, emphasize the pressing, revolutionary ramifications of increases in technology. As a singularitarian, I would argue that if the world will be destroyed in 2100, the one thing we can be certain of is that the cause of destruction will not be global warming, great power war, nuclear holocaust, or any other destructive force which is well-understood today. The one thing we know is that we don't know.

    History has proven again and again that human beings are simply not creative and insightful enough for effective long-term forecasting. Even the most rigorous analysis is decimated by an unanticipated turn of events. Consider the obsession with natural resources that characterized Japan's elite prior to world war II. In light of japan's post-war rise to economic prominence sans natural resources, the pre-war consensus sounds quaint and short-sighted. Does our greater concern for human rights and liberal values render us immune to the same kinds of cognitive imperfections and costly errors?

    None of this is to minimize the short-term dangers of global warming. It should be all of our business to impress upon our fellow citizens the cost of our cowardice and negligence. However, I am with Dr. Yudkowsky when he asserts that global warming is not an existential threat because the prospect of extinction is decades away. In the mean time, however, millions will suffer and die because of our cynicism, greed, and apathy.
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