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4. Hopes and Fears: A Presbyterian Journey to Palestine
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  • Nestor 6 months ago
    Israel is a democracy and is entitle to defend themselves, are you kidding? The wall is built for protection!
  • Haddon Kime 6 months ago
    The wall is a roadblock to peace. While every sovereign nation, including Israel has the right to self-protection, the long term effects of this wall are only going to create more terrorists, and will end up hurting Israel's chances to be a part of a peaceful two-state solution.
  • Israel 1 month ago
    The problem is that your logic does not apply here.

    1947 we was all given a chance of peace and coexistence.
    And the Arabs choose the way of violence, attacking us with all the neighboring countrys determined to annihilate and they lost.

    since then the same pattern continued until today, Arabs choose violence get slapped and cry, sorry but no tears for the bullies.

    this video does not reflect the realty.

    15 years ago every arab could go every where in Israel, we supplied them work, education, food water, medical care everything.

    but they choose violace and started bombing morning buses of women and children on their way to school.

    so we added check points, so they started sending women, children, cripled to blow up
    in one case one woman pretended to go to labor so the soldier rushed to help her and then she blew them

    so we added more protection, the places where we built the security fence its upto 15 minutes walk for a bomber to mall
    after it was built those attacks dropped from weekly tragedy to almost 0.

    same is for those houses mentioned, which allowed the Palestinian terrorist snipe civilians and send them molotov presents.
    or using UN ambulances as bombs and terroist taxy service or attacking the same border post who is getting in food and supplies ...

    10 years ago they was offered a country with more than they getting now, araft choose not to, as he sought he can get more by way of violence.

    so we defend our self by building check point fences using very expensive hardware to surgicly strike at those terrorist who shoot rockets (not at the army but at homes kindergardens schools etc.. the more killed the batter) they do it from civilian locations because they know we want shoot back and then they go hiding behind their women and children.

    if it was any other country, russia for example at their latest conflict defenses, surgical strikes? they burned georgy and they leveled Sheshney(city the size of tel aviv is nothing but a rubble there)

    but we are using extreme force by defending our self's
    every street every document is in Hebrew English and Arabic everyone is welcomed here but if i step to the Palestinian territory i'll be linched by the mob.
    but its we who in human and what ever.

    and while we speak of peace and tolerance and development
    they teahc that all non muslim are apes using summer camps to train kids to kill jews shoot rockets and use weapons.

    they dont build foundation for a country they dont build infrastracture education industry hospital ...
    they build weapon smuggling tunnels and bigger rockets and a whole generation of hate.
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  • Nestor 6 months ago
    "The wall is a roadblock to peace" sound really good, but the truth is that a wall is a short term solution for the problem, and a short term solution is really need it when there is a wave of suicide bombers (like there was just before its construction), it's not the first and last wall built in a frontier (USA-Mexico, doesn't matter what anybody says it has worked for the US government..note: I am pro-migration ),same to Palestine, Israel can have a better control of who is entering the country, instead of a bunch of terrorist running around free in the hills...I'm not saying that arabs cannot enter to Israel, but I agree Israel needs to know who is going in and out...
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  • Haddon Kime 6 months ago
    "A bunch of terrorists running around in the hills" sounds really scary Nestor, but the truth is that the Palestinian people are human beings with families and a desire for good paying jobs and a roof over their heads. Just like Israelis, they're not all terrorists.

    It's easy to sit back from a distance and label an entire population of people "terrorists." It's much harder to dig a bit deeper and find out why they feel they need to resort of the tactic of terrorism.

    Either way, the wall, the road blocks, and the Israeli settlements aren't going to work out for Israel in the long run. You can't have a peaceful relationship with a neighbor you can't trust. It's a bad example to looks to the uncompleted and nonsensical border fence between Mexico and the US. It's a much better example to look at the walls built in Northern Ireland and apartheid South Africa to see a hint of the future Israel has in store for it if it continues with the tactics of apartheid and segregation.
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  • Nestor 6 months ago
    You can't say that I'm from the distance and that haven't dig deeper, simply you can't because you don't know me. I didn't label the entire country. you can say anything you want but the truth is the the wall is not moving nowhere and I'm happy for them.
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  • Nestor 6 months ago
    This is my last comment, There is no way Israel can trust people in West bank and Gaza to cross the border with out check points, Hamas is hiding in civil population. How are you planing to recognize them? Do you think they should invent some kind of machine to classify people? Trust will be ideal, but can you really trust people that doesn't even recognize you as a state? and has relationships with nefarious states like Syria, Libia and Iran. I think you are the one giving light comments from the umbrella of this beautiful country. An how dare you compare Zionism with apartheid, that's why this is my last comment, you are in the far left mentality, I'm a liberal guy... but you don't need to be a genius to see the difference. have a nice life... you probably will have it, thanks on tactics of "segregation and apartheid" of North America.
  • Haddon Kime 4 months ago
    Nestor, The United Nations uses the phrase Apartheid State when dealing with projections concerning Palestine and Israel. The fact is that Zionism, at least Hertzel's Zionism, doesn't recognize the rights of Palestinians to this land either, much less a state of Palestine. Israel is the one with the upper hand here. Not Palestinians.

    We can definitely agree on the fact that the Bush administration has an historic policy of "segregation and apartheid" when it deals with other countries. This being said, I would hate to have my house demolished, my children beaten, or my land taken from me because of something George W. Bush did. This is something all Palestinian people have to live with everyday.

    You'll notice in the film that the Palestinians that are interviewed are all Christians. Add to that the Israeli's that are interviewed and I think that the film is bringing to light a truth that is hard to hear, that the Palestinian people are being unjustly persecuted and segregated by the Israeli military and government and as long as it continues that Israel's chances for a PEACEFUL two state solution are diminishing quickly.


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  • yitzkohn 4 months ago
    A very well-made and very one-sided movie, one-sided because you folks only saw and considered one side and perhaps because Presbyterians are Anti-Semites (I mean anti-Jewish) - I mean I assume you are judging from what I saw here. Perhaps your tour operator wanted you to see one side and that's what you did. I pity you for not having access to broader truths. Perhaps you would like suicide bombers (and a population which overwhelmingly supports them - by their own admission in polls, about 80%) living in your backyards. Perhaps you wouldn't keep them out with fences and walls. Actually, I think the Israeli army is unjustifiably humane in not lobbing tank shells back at source of fire of Qassam missiles even though these are intentionally fired from civilian domicile.
  • Hopes and Fears.org 4 months ago
    We pray for you
  • yitzkohn 4 months ago
    That's very kind of you.
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  • Joe Aston 4 months ago
    When was this filmed?

    I'm planning to travel to the West Bank this August.
  • Hopes and Fears.org 4 months ago
    This film was shot in February of 2008. For more info on this film and the people interviewed therein please visit hopesandfears.org
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