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8. Canon HF10 Hi-Def Camcorder Review by Jefferson Graham
3 months ago
USA TODAY's Jefferson Graham reviews the tiny Canon HF10 camcorder on the Talking Tech web video show. The HF10 records directly to memory cards, and bypasses tape. It uses the new AVCHD video format, which doesn't work with many editing programs. Graham demos the camera on the Talking Tech shows, and discusses video editing solutions for working with AVCHD video.
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  • Angelo Alberico 3 months ago
    Man, I don't know about your review, i'm getting the feeling your problems are due to user error / ineptness.

    You stated:
    "HD footage looks great on DVD but on the web it looks terrible"

    Can you explain this?

    My experiences with this camera so far have been great regarding online footage. And I'd argue the point further if you're using this video as your reference point as it suffers GREATLY from interlacing issues!

    The HF10 records in 30P which works SUPER well for the web.

    Regarding AVCHD and editing software, yeah that is an issue. However there is a great solution, try using VoltaicHD:

    shedworx.com/

    (They make a PC and MAC version of this software) It will allow you to take the raw .mts files you copied directly off the camera (ie dumped) and it will decompress them to an uncompressed format most any program (including crappy movie maker) can use.

    In Mac land it will prepare the footage (or Decompress to AIC) for either iMovie or Final Cut Pro, you specify.

    The great part about this is you can just copy the .mts files to your drive (quickly dump them) and let them all sit then do the decompression any time, not requiring your camera to be attached and on to "ingest".

    This also allows you to backup the raw footage to any media and re-edit later on.

    Regarding iMovie 08, I agree the new version is dumbed down, it works well enough that I could teach my wife to do basic stuff, but compared to the previous version, it's not a good step forward.

    However, if you legally ow iLife 08 apple still allows you to legally download iMovie 6 HD:
    apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html

    Thanks for taking the time to review, please check your facts next time.
  • Peter K 3 months ago
    Hello AA,
    You seem to know alot about codecs. I have a question as a newbie. I'm looking at the Canon HG-10 which records to AVCHD format. The wiki site statest that the AVCHD format saves the files in 720p or 1080i .
    Should'nt I look for a video camera that has a codec capable of saving in 1080p?
    The Canon says it's a 1080p camera, but it can only save the files in 1080i is how I understand it.
    If you have a moment can you explain some of this to me please? I'd hate to buy a so-called 1080p camera then realize later it only outputs in 720p or 1080i.
    Thanks
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  • RogerB1 3 months ago
    I just have to add a word here. I use AVCHD with Vegas. It works just fine and is NOT difficult. In fact it is the most easy of them all! I am editing HDV Sony footage as well as my Canon HG10, (AVCHD). All are easy to edit and render. If I want to put the AVCHD footage onto a DVD I just render for SD. Perfect!
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  • Lucien Kleijkers 3 months ago
    Agree with both comments. Vegas is pretty easy. Just make sure you enable 32bit/gamma 2.2 in project settings since otherwise you loose contrast (until Sony fixes this issue with the Canon AVCHD format).

    Very well presented but I agree a few loose ends:

    - video is a bit shaky but that can be worked out. The real reason is not the size but the steadyshot correction (which is same as bigger HV20/HV30). It's not easy to fix that in PP but you could use a tripod.

    - Few programs missing: Video Studio 11.5 and tmpgenc xpress (which is very easy to use, just install the free k-lite codec pack)
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  • ChristopherProuse 3 months ago
    Thanks for the review... could we see a little more on features and functions though? Definitely noticed the interlacing in your vid right away
  • Lucien Kleijkers 3 months ago
    And the HF100 footage has wrong aspect ratio....
  • Philippe Clairo 3 months ago
    Yes, not only they are wrong with their review (my HF10 is WICKED), but they make you look at a wrongly digitized video footage, which by the way is dumb. Shooting flowers, or toys under a sunny day would be better footage, no?
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  • RogerB1 3 months ago
    I have not noticed a contrast problem with rendering Canon AVCHD footage. I will check to see my own gamma setting. thanks for the tip. :o)
  • Lucien Kleijkers 3 months ago
    I noticed this with HF10/HF100 (not sure if HG10 has same issues, to check shoot something very dark).

    You will only notice with deep blacks and bright whites. Sony acknowledged that they only tested Sony/Panasonic AVCHD. A 2nd workaround that will render faster is to add the Color corrector (Secondary) and choose the preset 'Desktop to computer RGB'.
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  • Jefferson Graham 3 months ago
    I'd be interested to know what steps you go through to get decent looking AVCHD video for the web in 4:3 windows. Any thoughts?
  • Lucien Kleijkers 3 months ago
    Why 4:3 and not 16:9? Vimeo default size is 16:9 and best to encode in 720p (for vimeo). Windows playback doesn't care about the format, the aspect ratio is typically 1:1. If you still need 4:3 and don't need a fancy advanced editor, I'd recommend tmpgenc xpress (free 30 day trial). It's very easy in use. To get 4:3 from 16:9, choose resize and add black bars (letterbox).

    Vimeo has a couple of tutorials for different editors how to encode, but I use these settings for vimeo:

    Format WMVHD (v9 AVC), VBR peak/average with bit rates: 7M and 10M for peak. Also enable deinterlace (if you shoot in 60i with the Canon) and choose blend fields.

    Also Eugenia has a few tutorials: vimeo.com/forums/topic:3671
  • My Name Is Steve... 3 months ago
    >>>I'd be interested to know what steps you go through to get decent looking AVCHD video for the web in 4:3 windows. Any thoughts?

    Do you think maybe you should have asked this question before you recorded a review bashing AVCHD's performance with video for the web? And why would you convert the footage to 4:3 instead of leaving it letterboxed? You should have asked us about deinterlacing, too...

    Look, I don't mean to be rude, but people might actually base their purchasing decisions on this review. If you don't have a strong grasp of what you're reviewing, you should probably wait until you're more familiar with the material or pass it off to someone more informed.
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  • RogerB1 3 months ago
    Eugenia's Tutorials are very well thought out.
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  • Jogn Smith 2 months ago
    The camera is perfect! if only had manual macro focusing ring, high speed recording 500fps, time lapse programable from 1fps to 1/3600. the SDHC is advantage price for 8Gb now is half 5 months ago and droping we could make our movie archive like DV when the price drops.
    AVCHD is supported by Sony Vegas 8, Pinnacle studio 11, Ulead Videostudio, I editing my video with my Acer dual core 2Ghz laptop like a charm
  • Simon Ball 25 days ago
    Jogn - just wondering which of these editing program you are actually using - as I have similar laptop specs. I am about to buy the HF10 - but want to know that I am actually going to be able to edit footage without any problems. By the way - how much RAM do you have on your laptop?
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  • Loren Maly 1 month ago
    I have final cut express 4.0 on my macbook pro with an intel 2.2 dual core. Why doesn't it read my HF10 Files? And how come the files have .mts at the end and not .avchd? I don't understand. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?
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  • Eric Peltzer 22 days ago
    If you're interested in 640x480 clips for the web - what are you doing with a high def camera? Vimeo can display 16:9 in up to 1280x720. There are plenty of wonderful video clips from this very camera right here on Vimeo. The comment that this makes lousy looking web video is just baffling.
    Furthermore, it's a little hard to take video advice from someone who can't be bothered (or who has not figured out how) to de-interlace video for showing on a computer: this video review has terrible interlacing artifacts!
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