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Sony HC9---These Canada Geese have formed what is called a creche, to raise their young ones in a community. This gives them more protection and an early start in learning how to get along in a flock.

This version was converted to H-264, 1,280 X 720p, using 10 Mbps and double-pass and B-frame with 100% quality. The MPEG Streamclip converter was used. The first version was done with Windows Media 720p using 5.9 Mbps.

Added note: Now that I've seen both versions of this same video on Vimeo, I can't say that I see much, if any difference in picture quality. It took me 5 minutes to render the HDV into Windows Media 720p (85 MB) for the earlier video and 2 hours and 20 minutes to do it into H-264 on MPEG Streamclip (155 MB) for this one. Plus, almost twice as long to upload and have it converted on Vimeo and it used 162% as much of my weekly bitspace. Of course, I used double-pass and B-frame, with 62% more Mbps on this H-264 version, but still, it was a lot more time for no visible improvement. These simple and easy conversions on Windows Movie Maker are looking a lot better to me for these purposes, than I was thinking at first.
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  • 4Moorhens2 4 months ago
    Steve, when played with "HD off", I think your WMV version looks a little better than the MP4 - probably vimeo made a better job of converting it to SD. With "HD on" both versions look about the same.

    How do the orginals compare in terms of visual quality?
    I downloaded your "Goslings meet the River" the other day and that looks great in WMV 9 Pro 29.97 fps, 1280x720, 6039 kbps (average).
  • Steve McDonald 4 months ago
    Moorhens, the 10 Mbps MPEG4 I encoded, looked just about the same as the 5.9 Mbps .wmv version of it, when I played it on my monitor, before uploading. All the time (90 min.) involved in rendering it into H-264, with double-pass and B-frames, didn't seem to give any benefits over the 5-minute rendering that WMM did on it. What you're saying about the downloaded version of my "Goslings Meet the River" seems to imply that you can get better quality by downloading a video from Vimeo, than you can by playing it directly off their website. I don't think the gosling video looks very good played on Vimeo and I can't expand it above the small window without it looking very poor. I'll have to try downloading it back and seeing how it looks that way. When I play all my converted and compressed HD videos before uploading, they look surprisingly good and much better than when they are re-converted on Vimeo. Thanks for your remarks and I appreciate you taking notice of my videos. When I see how good the original HDV looks that this little HC9 can produce, I'm eager to find a way to make the Web versions retain more of the quality.

    Added note: I just did a Real Player download on the gosling video, but it looked very bad, with just 22 MB of bit-size. How did you download a wmv version of it, that averaged 6 Mbps? There's obviously something I don't know about downloading options of these posted videos.

    Regards,
    Steve
  • 4Moorhens2 4 months ago
    Steve, I downloaded your orginal gosling video by right clicking the download link and selecting "Save Target As..." (btw thanks for making your videos public and thus allowing access to the orginal uploaded file - I really like the gosling video.)

    Once your video was saved to my hard drive I checked its spec with the GSpot v.270a Information Appliance, which read your WMV file's bit rate as 6039 kbps (average) with audio as WMA v2, 48 kHz, 192 kbps, 1-pass CBR stereo.

    Usually I don't bother watching videos posted on vimeo in HD - generally I preview them with "HD off" and if I like them, and if a download link is available to the orginal file, then I download and watch them at a much higher quality than vimeo HD FLASH. Actually the same is true of many SD uploads as well - the SD original is always far superior in quality to vimeo SD FLASH.

    As I said in the forum, thats what makes vimeo so good: access to the original upload file.

    Anyway take care Steve, I'm looking forward to perhaps seeing some more of your wildlife videos, all the best, Nigel.
  • Steve McDonald 4 months ago
    Nigel, thanks so much for the tip on downloading the full-quality original uploads. It works quite well and I will apply this to all the other videos I watch from Vimeo (at least those that are set to allow downloading). I used WMP to play this return download and displayed it at 100%, which filled the 1,280 X 720 window, where it looked sharper than at full-screen. I'm surprised that Vimeo doesn't make this downloading option more obvious and give references to it whenever someone remarks about poor picture quality. Now, if I can just pass the instructions for the downloading on to my friends who aren't too swift in computer acrobatics-----I may have to make a few house calls and walk them through it. My own speed in this has at least doubled since I got my HDV camcorder and a fast computer two months ago. On a scale of 1 to 10 for computer savvy, I think I have now risen to about a 3. Good videomaking to you.

    Regards,
    Steve
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