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  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    -- Introduction --

    It seems that a number of Vimeo users are confused about aspect ratios and how to eliminate jaggies, so I put together this tutorial for you. With this guide, you will be able to export a clip from any miniDV camera in DVD high quality, that will get the "HD treatment" here on Vimeo, without your footage having to be HD. Here's a sample of the quality you will get from your miniDV PAL/NTSC non-HD camera if you export the right way for Vimeo: vimeo.com/411905

    Please note however, that this "high quality" re-encoding for non-HD footage feature might disappear from Vimeo in the future (your existing videos should be unaffected if that's the case though). [[UPDATE: As of March 14 2008, this feature is removed by Vimeo -- bummer]]. Regardless, that's the correct way of exporting widescreen miniDV footage for the web/devices in full quality, so it's good to know anyway.

    -- Method --

    1. Make sure you set up your camera to shoot in widescreen. The "high quality" re-encoding at Vimeo is only possible for widescreen miniDV footage.

    2. Import your footage to your PC with the video editor of your choice. You can now choose to either edit the footage, or just use a single unedited scene in which case go to step #3. If you choose to edit the footage first, make sure you export from your video editor in .avi DV widescreen interlaced mode, so quality loss remains minimal. Most video editors support exporting back to the same DV codec, and if not, use another intermediate lossless codec to export. Do not export in a lossy codec, make sure it's DV AVI or an intermediate lossless one (e.g. Huffyuv).

    3. Download and install the freeware & open source Handbrake utility: handbrake.fr/?article=download

    4. Then, load your file to convert on Handbrake, and make everything look like this: eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/handbrake.png (use 872x480 resolution, 2500 kbps bitrate, the rest as in the screenshot)

    4a. *IF* your camera is a PAL 16:9 camera, you can try exporting in 1280x720 at around 5000 kbps bitrate instead of the 872x480, 2500kbps suggestions above. But that's only if you shot in widescreen PAL. Resizing to 720p an NTSC widescreen or a PAL/NTSC 4:3 signal is not a good idea.

    5. That's it, after a while (depending on the speed of your PC), you will have an .mp4 file, ready to be uploaded to Vimeo. When it's up, it should have the "HD treatment" and look all fabulous.

    -- Some important notes --

    * This kind of export will create DVD-quality files that are playable as-is on the XBoX360 and Sony PS3! It should be playable on the AppleTV too, but I don't have one to test.

    * If you are proficient in using your video editor's exporting dialogs with similar settings we used here, then there's no reason to use Handbrake. However, most people can't do that, which why I wrote this tutorial, using a single utility for all cases. If you feel adventurous though, or if you are using a Mac, you can follow my other, HD, tutorials here vimeo.com/forums/topic:3671 and follow them exactly, except for 2-3 changes you will have to make to reflect your non-HD source footage: 872x480 size instead of 1280x720, 2.5 mbps instead of 5mbps of bitrate, and the right frame rate each time (29.97 for NTSC, 25 for PAL).

    * I suggested the same exporting resolution (872x480) for both PAL and NTSC miniDV footage. In reality, widescreen PAL can go up to 1048x576, but that's quite some over-stretching over the original 720x576 recorded frame size and so a resize down to 872x480 can be beneficial in terms of quality.

    * For those who are confused why we don't export at 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL), it's because in order to get widescreen in these resolutions, you have to set the "16:9 flag" in the internal format of these videos. Problem is, Vimeo and many other players usually don't respect these flags, and so your videos come out as 4:3. In order to go around this limitation, we export in aspect ratio 1.0000 (instead of 1.2121 for NTSC and 1.4568 for PAL), and so the 872x480 resolution is based on that aspect ratio. It's ok if you don't understand what I am talking about here, just trust the results.

    * If you do not own a widescreen DV camera, in order to export with the right 4:3 aspect ratio you need to do the following: export at 768x576 for PAL, or at 656x480 for NTSC (at around 2000 mbps instead of 2500 shown in the Handbrake screenshot). You won't get the HD treatment at these 4:3 resolutions, but these are the right aspect ratio 1.000 resolutions you should be exporting for web usage from 4:3 miniDV.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia, I've tried using Super to convert HD .flv files to .avi which it does very well, however with it installed on my pc (windows xp sp2) it causes Windows Media Player 11 to freeze and crash when I try to play mpeg-2 files - mpeg-1, .avi, wmv etc. are ok. Probably a conflict with my Cyberlink Video/SP Decoder?

    I have installed/uninstalled Super twice and still the same problem with WMA, any ideas? No problems with Cyberlink PowerDVD when Super is installed - strange!

    Also thanks for your above advice about rendering video files for the vimeo "HD reatment"; for PAL 720x576 (16:9) mpeg-2's I use VirtualDubMod to resize to 880x480 and the Xvid 1.1.0 codec to compress to 3000 kbps together with Lame mp3. I have uploaded to vimeo a .avi test video, using these settings, and it looked good in .flv

    All the best, 4Moorhens2.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    No, SUPER does not interfere with WMP and does not crash it. Something else is the problem, that you simply noticed after installing SUPER. But SUPER itself is self-contained.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia, thanks for that, I'll reinstall SUPER again, troubleshoot WMP and try to get it to play mpeg-2 files.

    So it seems that there was a pre-existing problem that only became apparent when I installed SUPER - maybe I've got too many codecs of one sort or another: GSpot indicates 292 with Super installed!

    Many thanks for your help, 4Moorhens2.
  • Adidas 2 years ago
    Thank you taking the the time to make those brilliant in-depth tutorials Eugenia! Much appreciated. Sadly my camcorder does only 'fake' widescreen (basically a digital effect that adds black bars at the top and bottom of the screen), so I guess this isn't for me... but nevertheless it was very interesting and fun to try it out :)
  • Luke 2 years ago
    Thanks for the awesome tutorial. my first try came out interlaced and its pretty obvious. but im going to keep playing with the settings to see what i can do. Anyways, thanks for providing the base.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    You forgot to click the "Deinterlace" checkbox then.
  • Luke 2 years ago
    From the looks of it i have a new version of super. and the menu where you chose to deinterlace is locked for some reason.
    i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/preciousliex3/untitled-2.jpg
    deinterlace to progressive appears to be selected but did not actually deinterlace my video.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    No idea why that dialog is disabled for you, it's enabled for me.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    I installed the current version of super (Feb 5 2008) and indeed, that dialog is disabled, like yours is. It seems to be a new bug for the application. However, it DID de-interlace for me, although this possibly happened because I had old settings for SUPER that took it into account when doing the job, while you had a virgin installation or something. Hopefully, this bug will be fixed.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia,

    I'm still having problems with SUPER and WMP, i.e. playback of mpeg-2 files on WMP with Super installed, maybe the latest version of SUPER (Feb 5 2008) has a few bugs - could you possibly link me to an earlier version?

    Its not a big deal, because I prefer VirtualDubMod, but Super can convert HD .flv files to other formats and that is very useful - VirtualDubMod doesn't support them and Prism, which converts non-HD .flv's, always says "no thanks!" after converting the first few megabytes of a HD .flv.

    All the best, 4Moorhens2.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    As I said earlier, Super does not interfere with WMP. Please install the latest ffdshow beta and the mpegsplitter if you have mpeg problems, SUPER has nothing to do with it. There is no older version btw, the older versions are deleted when a new one is released. We are all stuck with it.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia,

    I only have mpeg-2/WMP problems when SUPER is installed,when I uninstall it everything is fine. But many thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, the quick responses and the info.

    Cheers, 4Moorhens2.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia,

    I hope this is not an "isolated issue" as well - but thanks again for your advice on the 1048x576 HD thing - think I've found the cause of my WMP/mpeg-2/Super problem: the PICVIDEO V2 codec, a latent trouble maker exposed when opening mpeg-2's with Explorer on a machine with a dual core cpu which have been rendered on a machine with a single core cpu without DEP and possibly somehow also troublesome with SUPER installed.

    All the best, 4Moorhens2.
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  • Kurt Zhuang 2 years ago
    super helpful

    i did it but the aspect was super stretched out, i did everything according to the tutorial. also it is very choppy, can you tell me why? i already have deinterlace on

    vimeo.com/658827

    thanks!
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Did you made sure ALL settings are exactly as in the screenshot? Also, make sure you export correctly from your video editor without any non-square pixel aspect ratio.
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  • Kurt Zhuang 2 years ago
    DV AVI (NTSC)
    is the format? that i uploaded the vid from my gs65 to the comp

    then its in avi then i drpped the file into the super and it gave me an mp4

    yea i made sure everything is exactly the same.
    why is it that the fps has to be set at 29.9? why not more? is it a vimeo thingy
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    NTSC's frame rate is 29.97, that's why you set it as such. Make sure the "stretch it" is checked on Super, and try both with no aspect ratio set and as 16:9. Let me know what you get when you playback the file locally on your Quicktime.
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  • Kurt Zhuang 2 years ago
    when i convert it to 16:9 in su per, it just looks stretched, and im guessing itll be even more stretched on vimeo, or the same, which is not what i want.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    You are doing something wrong. It works perfectly here when all the options are as in my screenshot.
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  • Kurt Zhuang 2 years ago
    ok now i cant even upload to super

    i upgraded to vista today, got vegass pro 8 and i edited a little clip

    i saved it as the "Video for Windows (*.avi)" and the template is NTSC DV

    according to super, if it runs in wmp, it should be able to convert!

    i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/kurtrawr/supererror.jpg

    i get that error when i try to convert it
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    I don't run Vista so I don't know what the problem is, however, if you are using Vegas Pro, just use this tutorial instead eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/11/09/exporting-with-vegas-for-vimeo-hd/ with the difference that your miniDV resolution should be 874x480 instead of 1280x720 and 3mbps instead of 5. Everything else is the same as in the tutorial.
  • Adidas 2 years ago
    Look on the Doom9 forums, they have answers on how to run SUPER on vista. Also, a new version is out, it might help.
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  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    I was a little disappointed with the vimeo "HD treatment" on a couple of my PAL mpeg-2 videos converted and uploaded as 25 fps 848x480 3000 kbps .avi's (Xvid) - some fast moving shots were very choppy.

    So I tried converting one of the scenes to 24 fps Xvid with VirtualDubMod (same frame size and bit rate) and on the resulting .flv movement is much smoother.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Yes, Vimeo's 24p conversion is not the best that it could be.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Hi Eugenia, thanks for the reply.

    How do you think vimeo could improve the conversion to 24 fps .flv?

    With VirtualDubMod - e.g. mpeg-2 25 fps to Xvid 24 fps conversions - if one uses "Source Rate Adjustment" then there are noticable dropped frames, but with "Frame Rate Conversion" subject movement is much smoother although keeping audio in sync can be a problem.

    Is it a similar thing with your Flash converters, i.e. the choice of dropped frames or out of sync audio?

    Also, in the past, I have downloaded 25 fps .flv's from other sites - perhaps in the future vimeo may be able to to maintain the uploaded video's frame rate: be it 25 29.97 30 etc.....

    Cheers, 4Moorhens2
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    You have to email them and ask them to go up to 30p at 2mbps for FLV files. They should not be capping at 24fps, although I heard that this was a Flash limitation on older versions of Flash. So we might just have to wait for technology/bandwidth to catch up with our wishes.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Vimeo FLV bit rate doesn't seem to bad at 1639 (average) from an AVI upload at 3131 kbps (average) but I will email them about the frame rate thing.

    But we can usually download the original file in its true format and that is a vimeo plus!
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  • grandefocus 2 years ago
    Hello Eugenia, I was wondering if you could help me out.
    I uploaded a movie exported from Adobe Premiere. Since it is a 16:9 instead of widing resolution I decided to lower height in order to have square pixel with smaller file size.
    The problem is that I export video in 720x405 and Vimeo turns it to 720x406 which will put a black line at the bottom. If I try to export video from Premiere with that settings Premiere will put black lines. My 720x405 is clean...Why is vimeo messing my dimensions? thanks!

    vimeo.com/719586
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Because Vimeo's encoders require multiples of 2 or 4 in order to work. Most encoders are like that, it is not Vimeo's fault. You have to export in 406 from within Premiere and uncheck the "keep aspect ratio" so this way it stretches a tiny bit (it won't be visible), and so it comes out ok on Vimeo.
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  • J. Postma 2 years ago
    Hello,

    I've got the same problem as Luke, my deinterlace box is locked for some reason, resulting in my video being interlaced, resulting in jaggy edges.

    So, is there going to be a fix for this?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    As I said above, this seems to be a NEW bug of SUPER. You will have to play around in order to "unlock" the disability of the option, or wait for a new version of SUPER. Or, export as progressive from within your video editor, so SUPER gets it progressive already.
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  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Sorry guys, the "HD treatment" for non-720p video was removed by Vimeo a few days ago.
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  • Ralph Lindsen 2 years ago
    ah crap.
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  • Stephen G 2 years ago
    It was good while it lasted.
    I made a channel called BIG-SD just to see the difference of the upsized SD vs stretched standard.
    vimeo.com/bigsd
    I really needed to have the same clips, but still the stretched is terrible. It's like youtube on steroids.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    As I said on the Vimeo's blog comment section, do NOT oversize your SD widescreen videos. Always export in 880x480 or 874x480, never more than that. Exporting an SD footage in 720p will result in loss of quality, not recommended.
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  • Leon Do 2 years ago
    What if you're not using wide screen?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    I see that you have a DVX100. Up to last Friday, you could export in DVX100's native widescreen resolution and get the "HD quality" re-encoding. But this is now removed, so you can't do that. If you only shoot in 4:3, then you won't get the good quality re-encoding, not now, not even before. You might want to upgrade to the HVX200 or the new flash-based Panasonic prosumer camera. ;-)
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Eugenia,

    Is it not possible for anybody who prefers 4:3 to add black bands on either side of the image horizontally and make it up to a ratio of 16:9 at 1280x720 with suitable software?

    One sees 4:3 set onto a 16:9 anamorphic frame in films and on TV quite frequently.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    The black bars will have to be vertical AND horizontal. And this makes up for a quite ugly picture IMO. You will have to export at 1280x720, with black bars left and right and up and down, and in the middle have a 1:1 video resolution depending on how you shot:
    PAL 4:3 is 768x576 (it is not 720x576 after you make the aspect ratio 1.000)
    PAL 16:9 is 1048x576
    NTSC 4:3 is 656x480 (it is not 720x480 after you make the aspect ratio 1.000)
    NTSC 16:9 is 874x480

    I do not recommend resizing a miniDV resolution to bigger than its native resolution because this has a toll on the quality.
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  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Yep, but if the 4:3 is of a high quality then vertical black bars on each side (sorry I mistakenly said Horizontal before) would be OK.

    Might be worth making a short "slide show" video with some 1600X1200 photos at 1280x720 and see how it turns out.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    In order to only have vertical bars, you need to stretch the video vertically. You see, 576 and 480 are not as high numbers as 720 is. And when you stretch beyond the natural limitations, you will hit a degradation in quality regardless how good the original was.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    BTW, the PAL widescreen resolution is high enough to be blown up to 720p. It won't look that bad. But that's the ONLY resolution that should be comfortably resized to 720p. The other 3 (PAL/NTSC at 4:3 and 16:9) should not.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Many thanks Eugenia for the excellent advice: so if we work with PAL 16:9 25 fps 1048x576 and resize/deinterlace to 720 then vimeo HD is still a viable choice.

    What about data rate: is it worth going over 2000 kbps if the video is only intended to be uploaded to vimeo?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Yes, use 5000 kbps for 720p HD video. Not only because the people who will download the original file will enjoy it more, but also because the better the original is, the better the Vimeo re-encoding will look like.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    That's very interesting: I thought maybe it wasn't worth going much over 2000 kbps if the video was intended only for vimeo playback, but you say a higher bit rate will result in better .flv encoding by vimeo.

    Many thanks Eugenia.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 2 years ago
    Just tried out your suggestions at home: resized to 1280x720 (Lancros3) and compressed to 4000 kbps Xvid with VirtualDubMod plus Lame mp3 48 kHz 128 kbps, 26 MB total, duration 54 seconds.

    The result shows no noticable loss of quality over the orginal, but video files at that spec would be very large for uploading - maybe around 30 MB per minute of footage.

    I wont upload anything like that just now, perhaps we can wait for any developments on the 1048x576, 720x576 or 720x480 DVD quality HD request... a "slide show" video using JPEG's at a low bit rate, of say 1000 kbps, at 1280x720 still seems to be a possibility...
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Yes, 30 MB/sec is the norm, if not a bit low, for good quality 720p.

    No need to reply here with it btw, this thread had a particular purpose and this is an isolated issue.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 1 year ago
    Eugenia, I've just downloaded the latest version of SUPER v2008.build.32(Jul.8,2008) which has some additional AAC features that were not available in the March 2008 version that I was previously using: provision for 6 channel audio and various new AAC settings from the "...Output Audio Codec" drop-down menu - I have found that AAC LC (low complexity) works well at 44100 Hz, 128 kbps, 2 Channels.

    It will still not deinterlace mpeg-2's, in fact it appears to struggle slightly to encode them to H.264 on my machine, but it handles an imported progressive or deinterlaced mpeg-2 just fine.

    Thanks for your continued and valuable advice, 4Moorhens2.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 1 year ago
    PS, lastest version of Super will also convert/deinterlace DV Type 2 AVI's ~29000 kbps to M2TS files, for burning to Blue Ray, with no noticable loss in image or sound quality.
  • 4Moorhens2 plus 11 months ago
    Eugenia, perhaps you could add the Handbrake app to this tutorial as an alternative converter - I tried the latest version yesterday, after reading your recommendation elsewhere in the forums, and it works very well - especially with de-interlacing.

    Again many thanks for your continuing help, much appreciated, 4M2.
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  • thanks for your excellent help and guidance!!!!
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  • surfandrock.com 2 years ago
    So, if the SOURCE VIDEO is mini DV: 720x576 / Par 1.4568 / Pal Dv / 25fps /interlaced / Lower field first

    - PROYECT PROPERTIES: 720x576 / Par 1.4568 / Pal Dv / 25fps /interpolate fields / Lower field first / best rendering quality ?

    - EXPORT: 880x 480 (or 1048 x 576) /Par 1.000 /25 fps / deinterlace / progressive scan / bit rate ~4.000 kbps ?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 2 years ago
    Yes, you got it! Just one small mistake, the source video is usually 50i, not 25fps, but video editing apps see that as 25 fps anyway, so you are good.
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  • TJ 2 years ago
    Thanks! Great guide, works like a charm.
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  • Sam Hogarth 1 year ago
    Hi, thanks for reccommending SUPER! So, I copied your settings fine, which does the job grand, except on one particular segment of my movie which does not appear deinterlaced.

    The orginal avi file plays the full video perfectly, but it seems that SUPER will not deinterlace this one section. I'm referring to my latest video during the night vision section: vimeo.com/1022863

    If you have the chance to suggest anything to me it will be greatly appreciated.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Actually, SUPER didn't de-interlace any section. You might want to export in progressive mode from your video editor to SUPER.
  • Sam Hogarth 1 year ago
    Ah, interesting. Hmm, "de-interlace" is ticked but greyed out. A wmv version of the file incidentally works fine. I'll have a play about with some settings, cheers for the help!
  • Sam Hogarth 1 year ago
    I think I'm having the same Vista error regarding the deinterlace button that was talked about a while back in this thread... might find an email address to notify the software vendors and get a resolution. Will post back with any findings
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  • Tomás Moretti 1 year ago
    HI Eugenia. (excuse my lenguage)
    Your tutorials are incredibles! Awesome!
    I´m from Argentina, and now i´m encoding from DVpal to HD with the program you recomend: SUPER. Excelent!
    Now i want to know if with "SUPER" can i encode an HDV video (1080 x 1440, 50i, of Sony Z1) to HD for vimeo. And how?
    Because i´ve Windows, so with PREMIERE it make me a TOO HEAVY video (i read you tutorial for this.)
    I think this program SUPER is better and easyer for encode than Premiere media encoder.
    Can you help me to do this with the SUPER?
    Thanks a lot! You are great!
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Yes, you export HDV m2t like this in 720p:
    eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/super-720p.png

    Sorry, no Spanish, I am Greek.
  • Tomás Moretti 1 year ago
    thank you so much...!
    Fabulous!
    When i have all right, i sent you my webpage for show you.
    Bye
  • Tomás Moretti 1 year ago
    send, no sent. i´m sorry
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  • Tomás Moretti 1 year ago
    OH...if you speak spanish, so much better! jaja
    Saludos!
    Tomás
    Buenos Aires, Argentina
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  • Joseph Choi 1 year ago
    hi, i have one question...

    880x480 gives an aspect ratio of 1.833:1, whereas 16:9 should give 1.7778.

    If i multiply 480 by 1.7778, i get about 853... so shouldn't the size be around that, not 880?

    i have NTSC, and my project settings are 720x480 with 1.2 pixel ratio interpretation (I use a crappy sony DVD camcorder so i have to demux it, convert the ac3 to mp3, then link it again in premiere pro).

    how come the horizontal resolution is 880?
  • Joseph Choi 1 year ago
    oh, and which color grading software do you use? =)
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    The consumer DV camcorders are 873 px not 853. Only the pro cameras are 852, like the Panasonic DVX series. But because 873 does not divide exactly with 16, which is a requirement for many encoders, you need to either export at 880 or 864, your choice.

    As for color grading, I am using any tools that will help me. From freeware plugins, to built-in Vegas, to commercial Magic Bullet. There's not a "single" color grading you apply, each scene is different and you have to improvise each time.
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  • Chris de Zeeuw plus 1 year ago
    Deinterlaced is greyed out when i want to encode a 25fps 16:9 dv file.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Yes, because DV is always interlaced.
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  • Chris de Zeeuw plus 1 year ago
    Thats why i want to deinterlace it. It wont work. I am using an external deinterlacer now. Decomb or Leakkerndeint (avinsynth)
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  • Chris de Zeeuw plus 1 year ago
    I have now uploaded a mini dv video as avi (encoded with super) to get the 'HD treatment'. It is uploaded. But when i try to play with 'HD on' it says "sorry this video no longer exists'. When i set 'HD off' it plays. What is going on here?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    That's a common bug on Vimeo. You need to re-upload, or ask an admin to fix it.
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  • Chris de Zeeuw plus 1 year ago
    Okay. Email is sent to main admin. :)
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  • josh@firestorm 1 year ago
    heres the super download link: erightsoft.org/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe

    what a pain to find!
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  • Andrea Coppini 1 year ago
    Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the tutorial, I've just uploaded the first part of a 2-hour long show, and the quality is just superb! Thanks!

    PS: PAL Widescreen DVD > Vimeo, used 640x360 with 816kbps bitrate. Didn't notice any difference in quality if I go higher.
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  • Chapitô plus 1 year ago
    I just uploaded a video ( vimeo.com/1491501 ) encoded according to your fine tutorial, but considering the 880*480 file I uploaded, I was very disappointed with what vimeo deemed "enough".
    Even though I would be smudging the original, and since it now seems the only way to be processed as HD, wouldn't it provide a better viewing experience if I blew up the movie to 1280*720?
    Or maybe, for the sake of how well you view it online, and considering vimeo no longer takes advantage of this 880*480 size, shrinking it anyway, I should just forget about this 880*480 size and stick with a fine tuned 640*360 (assuming this is the resolution vimeo uses in standard full screen)?.

    What do you think?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    it now shrinks it. You need to export in HD to get better encoding on vimeo.
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  • Gilbert C 1 year ago
    Eugenia, I just wanted to say thanks! I kept trying to get a right setting on Adobe premiere, and finally found this tutorial. It exceeded my expectations for a smooth video and was able to get vimeo to recognize a video as HD! Thanks a ton!!!

    vimeo.com/1781008
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  • D I E E G O 1 year ago
    No matter what I do, my 16:9 PAL video comes streched. Tryed export on 880x480; 880x480 fit to scale; 880x480 letterbox and nothing, the result is the same.

    And it's the second time I finish my upload limit uploading video to check the result. Do you have any extra tip?

    Thanks,
    dieego.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Is your video widescreen or not? If not, then you should not be exporting at that resolution. The one I see on your account doesn't seem to be widescreen, so why are you trying to export in a widescreen resolution?
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  • D I E E G O 1 year ago
    Thanks for your reply, Eugenia.
    Well, making more and more tests I discovered what the problem was. While exporting it was exporting as 680x480 with display size as 880x480. I guess it was uploading as 680x480 instead of 880. Problem fixed. Thanks for your reply. Very nice of you.

    Best,
    Dieego.
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  • Trygve Andersen 1 year ago
    Hello Eugenia. Thank you for spending your time helping people like me (complete noobs)! I followed your instructions above (png) and the mp4 I created from Super appears to be fine when I view it on my pc. However when I upload it to vimeo it has these awful scan lines during any motion (aspect ratio looks fine). The only difference is that I'm using the Super build.33.

    vimeo.com/2055064

    Can you or anyone else tell me what I've done wrong? Thanks!
    (miniDV SD widescreen)
  • Eric p-h 1 year ago
    You need to "de-interlace" your video. When you export, most programs have a box you can check called "de-interlace," which will remove these lines.

    Cheers!
  • Trygve Andersen 1 year ago
    Thanks for the response. I had thought that Super would be able to do this however it appears it can't (unless someone knows how to make it de-interlace).

    So I guess I need to go back to the Adobe Premiere Pro project and re-encode the whole movie (de-interlaced) and then run it through Super again?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    I am afraid so. I have seen this bug on Super the last few months. I emailed their developer and he doesn't acknowledge the problem. He keeps insisting that his h.264 exports are always progressive, but as you and I and others have seen, it's not always the case.
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  • Mani Vijay 1 year ago
    Thanks for the tutorial. I followed the steps and produced my first widescreen HQ video - vimeo.com/2157940 . However, the quality seems to have deteroriated compared to my original DV-AVI video (187 MB). Moreover, interlacing is quite obvious with the horizontal lines showing up often (they did not show up on my original one). In the Other Encode options in Super, The Deinterlace to Progressive is checked but I can't change the options, since they are all greyed out.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    The actual visual quality is fine, it's in fact better than fine, as Vimeo seems to have brought back their 848x480 HD re-encoding support rather than 1280x720 one. The interlacing issue, you need to write to the SUPER developer. He introduced the bug around April and he refuses that there's a bug.
  • Mani Vijay 1 year ago
    Thanks for the feedback
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  • Mani Vijay 1 year ago
    Tried replacing the following video - vimeo.com/2184192 - with an MP4 version using SUPER. However, it does not display in HD. Please help.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Your resolution was not HD.
  • Mani Vijay 1 year ago
    I am still puzzled. I used exactly the same settings in SUPER as for vimeo.com/2157940 and got a 880x480 clip. But one of them displays as HD and the other does not.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    It must have been a fluke on vimeo. 880x480 is *not* HD. 1280x720 is.
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  • Denis Davydov 1 year ago
    Hi everybody,
    just want to ask why 880x440 is recommended for PAL 16:9.
    Joseph Choi asked it in this thread 5 months ago but I don't really understand why 864 and 880 are recommended?
    The closest number to 440*16:9=853 which devides by 16 is 848; So I would use 848x480.
    If somebody want to have less then 3 pixels stretch in Y direction, you can resize to 848x478 and padd 1 pixel below and above. For me it seems to be the most correct way for PAL 16:9.
    Am I wrong?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    No DV widescreen, when 480p is the target, has a different aspect ratio that pure 16:9 footage, and so it's 874x480, not 848x480. The expensive non-DV cameras do capture in 852x480, when you downsize 1920x1080 to 480p you indeed use 848x480, but for DV 480p, it's 874x480. And the reason we use 880x480 instead of 874x480 is because some encoders work only with multiples of 16.
  • Denis Davydov 1 year ago
    Ok, thank you for the answer. So it really depends on situation?
    For example if I export from Premiere in 720x576 with 1.4333 (pure 16x9) it means that I should use 848x480 or 1024x576.
    (of course if the input to Premiere was in pure 16:9)
    Same for encoding from PAL DVD.
    Capturing from HV20 will also lead to real 16x9 (1280x720) so it should be treated as 848x480?

    In other words one should keep an eye on the source of footage to choose right resolution for square pixels rather than on settings of NLE?
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 1 year ago
    Exactly. Different sources have different pixel aspect ratios that need to be taken into account when exporting in 480p.
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  • OROBORO FILMS 11 months ago
    Hello Eugenia, I have Mac and I can´t use Super. Can you tell me if there is another way to get the "HD look" from minidv footage? Thank you very much!
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 11 months ago
    Quicktime. You can export in mp4 via Quicktime Pro, or FCP/FCE/iMovie.
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  • OROBORO FILMS 11 months ago
    Ok, and which settings are the best for vimeo? My videos are 25 frames/sec, most of them in 4.3 ratio. I tried with all kind of presets for web in Compressor, but when I watch the videos in my computer seems all ok, while on vimeo the quality is very bad. Thank you for helping me!
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru plus 11 months ago
    You need to export in the 768x576 resolution (not 720x576 that your videos are currently uploaded as), at 25fps, and at around 2500 kbps. Guideline that you need to tweak as I mentioned, here eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/08/exporting-with-quicktime-in-720p/
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