• Juice 1 month ago
    Here in Canada, I bought a Canon HG10 for really good price of $700. The regular price is $900. It's a very good camera and I got it at a good price. Although Canon says it can to 1080/24p it doesn't do it good enough. I have it set 1080/60i.

    I'm considering exchanging it with a Canon HF10 for $1200, which can actually do 1080/24p (according to reviews). I don't think I'll be able to get a $200 discount on this one.

    My question is... Is it really worth $500 to go from 60i to 24p? Will I see a big improvement going to 24p? The content I shoot most are airplanes (small models and big real ones)... Lots of motion, panning and zooming as they fly by.

    Thanks,
    Josh
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru 1 month ago
    No. The HF10 uses the SAME algorithm to save 24p as the HG10 does. You will still need to remove pulldown if you want a pure 24p stream, just like in the HG10.
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  • Juice 1 month ago
    On the HG10, 1080/60i looks really smooth but 1080/24p is very juttery (totally unusable).

    Are you saying that on the HF10 1080/24p would also look juttery, given that they use the same 24p algorithm? If that is the case, I'll keep my HG10 (and my $500).

    The HG10 has a bit-rate of 15 Mbps, whereas the HF10 has 17 Mbps. Does the extra 2 Mbps help the 24p algorithm on the HF10? The people at camcorderinfo.com says it does.

    (By the way, Eugenia, I read and followed your instructions regarding how to prepare AVCHD videos for posting on vimeo. They are very clear and accurate instructions. Thank you very much for you help.)
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru 1 month ago
    24p is jittery because it's only 24 frames per second, while 1080/60i it's 60 frames per second. It is not helped by bitrate. So no matter what camera you get, even one that costs $100,000 it will [almost] look the same in terms of motion. Expensive movies are shot very carefully to not create jitter. So yeah, keep shooting 1080/60i with the HG10 and keep your $500. :-)
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  • Juice 1 month ago
    Thlanks Eugenia. That was very helpful.
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  • Aimee Lutz 1 month ago
    if your on a Mac you can't do 24 /fps with the HF-10.. Apple doesn't support it.
  • Eugenia Loli-Queru 1 month ago
    It supports it if you are using FCS instead of older FCP or FCE/iMovie. There are free ways to remove pulldown for the older FCP versions too, but they are not as good as the built-in way found on FCS.
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